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I know a lot of people have asked this. I just saw on the photos that people start and end w\ brads how do they start w\ one. I used to start w\ a loop and a knot but that is not working when I get to the larger patterns. If anyone has any good ways of starting othrt than the loop and knot I whould appresheat it.

With those larger bracelet, I usually make two loops at the top, and end with two braids as usual.
You can also start with two, or even three braids and end with 2-3 braids.

how do u do two loops ??
i tried it but didnt succeed ... !

I just braid the ends and tie them together.. U could do 2 braids if it was a larger bracelet on each side if u needed to.

I braid. Its much easier :)
Just try to split into even amounts of string, then braid. For a 22 string bracelet, I did 3 braids. For a 10 string bracelet, I did 1 braid. Just try to make the braids even in string amount and color amount :)

two loops: simply divide your threads in half and pin them to your trousers (or to whatever your using) closely together.

Here's a sample pic:
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p118/IPF_photos/Various/DSC_0001.jpg