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I agree. And the ones that are attatched to the thing that clip onto other thingies with loops on them, those are called "carabiners", just for future reference.

Really? I would think it would be easier to start a bracelet on a D ring. I'm making a 50 string pattern and I don't like how it curves around the ring. I'll try and see which I like better

I said it would be easier to start on the D ring!

Yea I saw that right after I wrote it...don't know why you need an exclamation point...

Sorry, I was just meaning more of an LOL. I guess I just like exclamation points since I almost used one again. :)

thanks

i just posted a video tutorial (not my video)on the site for larks head knots , just search "larks head knot" in our sites search feild and it should come up.